Media Composer’s “Group Clips” feature is best suited for very simple multicamera shoots. As long as all of the cameras start and stop around the same time with no drop-outs in between, and as long as the timecode was shot time-of-day and jam-synced between cameras right before the shoot, you can easily make groups in a matter of seconds. In practice, however, it is rarely this simple. Cameramen with itchy trigger fingers start and stop recording every few seconds, independently of the other cameramen. This can cause the shots in a group to cycle through all of the available window positions in the four-frame display and force you to use the nine-frame view with smaller thumbnails. Maybe both cameras stopped shooting for a period of time, but you want to include footage after the break in your group. Sometimes production jam-syncs the cameras once in the morning, and by the afternoon they have drifted several frames out of sync. Luckily, there is a way to work around all of these issues and create convenient multigroups that contain all of your footage for a given scene and are perfectly in sync. Each camera can drop in and out, and the multigroup will automatically adjust and play smoothly throughout the duration of the footage. Put your thinking caps on – this tutorial is not for the faint of heart.
1. Make a sync map.
First you will need to lay out all of your footage in one long sequence (I like to do one sequence for each shooting day), with the master timecode of the sequence corresponding to the timecode of your cameras. With newer versions of Media Composer, this can be accomplished fairly simply. Select all of your clips that were shot by a single camera, and select “AutoSequence” from the “Bin” menu. Avid will automatically create a new sequence with master timecode that matches the source timecode, with the appropriate amount of filler in between the clips. After you do this for each camera, simply cut each sequence into a new multi-layered sequence (adding tracks and patching as necessary, so that each camera is on a different track) to create your day’s sync map. Be sure to cut in each camera sequence at the appropriate master timecode in your new multilayered sequence, as each camera most likely will have started at a different time of day.
For those of you still working on Meridiens, I feel your pain. Without AutoSequence, you’ll have to make your sync map manually or use a macro program such as QuicKeys to automate and speed up the process. Here’s how to do it manually: Make sure your sequence timecode is set to match whatever the cameras were shooting: drop-frame or non-drop-frame, and set the sequence starting timecode to match the timecode of the first frame of your first clip (Click on the record monitor and select “Get Sequence Info” from the “File” menu). The best way to form your sequence is to lay down your first and last clips of the day and add filler in between until you can match your last clip’s timecode with the sequence timecode. Remember, Avid still won’t let you add filler at the end of a sequence without a funky song and dance that I won’t get into here. From this point on, you can type the starting timecode of each clip into your record monitor, and the playhead will jump to that point in your sequence.

Then, you simply overwrite the filler with your entire master clip (Mark the clips beforehand to be sure you’re getting the whole thing). It is easiest to do this by first sorting your clips by timecode and then by tape name in your bin (your tape naming system should incorporate the date and tape number so that sorting by tape name will organize the shots by date and camera). Be sure to keep each camera on a separate video track (V1 for Cam A, V2 for Cam B, etc. – or however you like to do it). You can even rename each track in your timeline to reflect which camera it represents.
After you have finished this step (whether it be via AutoSequence or manually), you will have one long sequence that, if played in real-time from the beginning, will exactly recreate your shooting day. Pretty wild, huh?
2. Decide what needs grouping.
Once all your footage is laid out in a sequence, it is easy to quickly scope out what needs grouping. Any time there are overlapping clips, more than one camera was shooting simultaneously. Sometimes there will be single-camera shots, and sometimes you will have times where multiple cameras were shooting at the same time, but with different subjects in different locations, and the footage does not need to be grouped together. You can choose to either lift these parts out of your master sequence, or you can subclip the parts that you do want to group into their own smaller sequences (remember to reset the starting timecode to match the first frame of each). As a general rule, I usually don’t include any footage that editors wouldn’t need to cut back and forth between (b-roll, single-camera interviews, etc.), unless they specifically request it.
3. Check for timecode drift.
Pick a few points throughout your new sync map sequence, and try playing the audio from one camera with the video from another to see if they match perfectly. Watch your computer monitor, not the client monitor, as there is sometimes a minuscule delay, especially if the video is patched through a deck or DVD recorder. If audio was only recorded on one camera, you will have to check for sync by finding one distinctive-looking frame that appears in view of both cameras (a blink, a hand clap, a flash of light against an object in the background, etc.) and is not dependent on where each camera is placed (a person crossing behind another person, the first frame someone’s ear is visible, etc.). This can be a little tricky, especially if the cameras were pointed at different subjects.
4. Sync each camera to your base camera.
If there is some timecode drift, you will need to do the following. Pick one camera as your “base camera.” I like to use Cam A for simplicity. You must never move the clips of your base camera – lock its tracks for safety. Using red Segment Mode, slide each clip from your other cameras a couple frames at a time until they appear to be in sync. If production used a clap-board or other sync method, match the clips up using that method. Alternatively, if audio was recorded on both cameras, it is very helpful to turn on waveforms in your sequence and try to match up the clips using a sudden, loud burst of sound. In the picture below, notice that the sound that was recorded on both cameras can be matched up easily using its distinctive-looking waveform. I like to sync by soloing the audio from two different cameras (ideally one in each speaker so you can adjust the levels with your mixing board) and listening for echo. Then I simply slide my non-base camera a few frames at a time until I can no longer hear each camera’s audio independently, and they blend together perfectly. I find this to be easier and more accurate than trying to match audio to video.
5. Set Aux TC for your base camera.
Make sure your bin of master clips is set to display the field “Auxiliary TC 1.” Copy the “Start” timecode from each clip into its corresponding “Auxiliary TC1″ field, but only for your base camera. The Auxiliary TC is the same as the Start time for this camera only, since you didn’t move any of these clips on your timeline.
6. Adjust the Aux TC for your non-base cameras.
Make sure your bin is still sorted by timecode and then by tape name. Pick a video track (except the one your base camera is on) and solo it (Apple-click or Ctrl-click on the monitor icon on the right side of the track button).
Make sure your Composer settings are set to stop on Head frames only.
Step through the edits of your sequence using the “Fast forward” command. Enter the sequence master timecode of the first frame after each edit into the “Auxiliary TC1″ field of each non-base-camera clip. The clips should already be in chronological order in your bin, but you can “Match frame” and “Find bin” to highlight each clip if you want. It helps to have the timecode window displaying your sequence timecode in large numbers, rather than relying on the tiny numbers at the top of the record monitor. Your non-base cameras may already have identical timecode to your sequence master timecode, but they will be different if you had to manually change the sync. In the following example, V1 is my base camera, and V2 was out of sync by one frame. I would copy the number 16;55;24;09 into the “Auxiliary TC1″ field of the clip that has a “Start” TC of 16;55;24;08.

7. Add edits at every camera start/stop point.
Make sure all of the tracks in your sequence are highlighted. Park your cursor on the first frame that any camera drops out or comes in (use the Apple or Control key to make the playhead snap to the correct frame). If you set your composer settings to “Ignore Track Selectors,” you can quickly jump to the next camera start/stop just by using “Fast Forward.” “Add edit” at each of these points throughout the entire sequence. The edit should go through all of the tracks. This will divide all of your clips into smaller pieces, where all the pieces on top of each other have equal duration.
8. Create subclips from your sequence.
Now you need to turn all of these pieces into subclips, which you will use to create your multigroup. The best way to do this is to step through your timeline again track by track (using the “Fast forward” key and “track solo” feature as before), and “Match frame” back to each master clip. This step is also a repetitive function that can be automated with QuicKeys. I recommend mapping your keyboard settings to have the following string of commands laid out in order on the number keys of your keyboard, or wherever you find most convenient.
- Mark Clip
- Go to In Point
- Match Frame
- Go to Out Point
- Set Out Point
- Subclip
- Fast Forward
-

Turn on the “gang” button so that your master clips in the source monitor will move in tandem with your sequence. You should be able to rapidly hit buttons 1 through 6 to create each subclip. Then, simply click back in your timeline window (your bin will automatically be highlighted after creating a subclip) or hit “Apple-0″ (or “Ctrl-0″), and then hit 7 until your playhead reaches another piece of media on that track. You cannot subclip a piece of filler, so skip over all of them (you will create a useless subsequence and hear an error sound if you try). Once you are done, you will have a bin full of hundreds (or even thousands) of subclips. The correct auxiliary timecode for each subclip should have transferred from its original master clip.
9. Double-check your subclips.
Sort your bin by tape name, and then by Auxiliary TC1. Also make sure that the heading “Duration” is showing. Glance down your bin and make sure that every clip that has the same Auxiliary TC also has the same duration. If you see an Aux TC that is off by a frame or two, or a duration that is too long or too short compared to the other cameras at a given Aux TC, you’ve made a mistake somewhere, either in your sequence or in assigning your Aux TC’s. It’s smart to make copies of your sequence after each step of the multigrouping process, so that if you do make a mistake, you can find it and fix it without undoing and redoing a ton of work. It’s important to consider that the sequence itself is literally just a map of the multigroup that you will be making, and the subclips themselves are what Avid uses to make the multigroup. Thus, if you change anything in your sequence after having made your subclips, you will need to make corresponding changes to the affected subclips, or remake them completely, or the changes will not stick.
10. Multigroup by Auxiliary TC1.
Once you’ve spot-checked for errors, select all your subclips, and click on “Multigroup” in the “Bin” menu. When it prompts you for a method, click “Auxiliary TC1.” Media Composer will create a number of groups (which you don’t really need) and one main multigroup. Watch through the multigroup, and make sure it plays through smoothly every time a camera starts or stops and that everything is in sync. Hopefully, if you did everything right, the multigroup will look great! Well worth the time and effort…



May 1, 2008 at 10:57 pm
[...] Tim Leavitt, over on his blog, View From The Cutting Room Floor (that reminds me of my old series of editor interviews in the Editors Guild Magazine, which we used to call The View From The Cutting Room Ceiling) has a posting about how to create bullet-proof multi-group clips in the Avid. [...]
May 7, 2008 at 8:08 am
Again from the earlier post.to add filler at the end of a seq.
All you need to do is add an edit mark at the end of the seq on a empty section of a track and “trim” out that edit. it basically adds black since it an empty section of the track. video or audio.
i know it sounds tedious but once you do it a few times its very fast and easy. so is adding the “add filler at start” command to the keyboard.
May 7, 2008 at 8:09 am
this is an amazing trick and i love you for it!
September 9, 2008 at 12:20 am
Hey Tim,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with everyone!! I have been searching all over the web for how to multigroup and I don’t think there is any succinct source except for your article here. I am a FCP editor, trying to make the switch to Avid. Your blog is helping me a lot. I have a couple of question- they might be real simple but I can’t seem to figure them out. (btw. I am working on Media Composer on a Mac.)
In your above article, ‘How to make bulletproof Avid multigroups’, (regarding step1) what do you mean by sorting the clips? How do you physically sort clips by using the timecode and tape names… or by Auxillary TC (step9)?
(regarding step 5) how do you get the bin of master clips to display the field “Auxiliary TC 1″?
And in your other article, ‘A few useful Avid keyboard sortcuts’, where do you get the “More detail”, “Less detail”, “Expert Render”, “Render” commands so that you can map them on your keyboard. Also how do you map– “Show Entire Sequence” to both “Page Up” and “Page Down” with the “Shift” button depressed. And how to map “Deselect All” to the “Shift-S” key and map “Select All” to the“Shift-A” key? (The keyboard mapping in FCP is quite different from that of Avid)
If these questions require lengthy writing and you are too busy, do you mind contacting me at my personal email and maybe we can talk briefly on the phone? I would much appreciate that.
Thanks again for all the knowledge- you’re a life saver! And if you have any questions regarding FCP, feel free to holler.
Rahul
Editor, Los Angeles
September 11, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Thanks Tim for explaining my above queries in detail!
November 29, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Rahul! Too bad we couldn’t have used the Jacksons to nail this workflow down, but alas we were on FCP.
October 15, 2008 at 11:53 am
I know how to group with AUX TC just fine, but when I group, because of the match frame I’m getting the source audio in the group. The source audio in this project isn’t working correctly and now I need to add new audio tracks.
I keep getting the error ‘clips with different audio rates cannot be grouped’ however, when I imported the audio I had the selection ‘convert source sample rate to project sample rate’ selected. How can I group in this new audio?
Thanks
December 12, 2008 at 1:11 am
FCP is so much better than Avid
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In FCP I can multiclip 4 or 5 days of shooting on a 3 camera production in a few hours. On Avid sometimes I can’t even finish a whole day in 10 hours of work!!!!! Avid is weak for Reality shows. FCP is 100X faster and better for this.
Come on Avid! lets get it together here!
January 20, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I wish Adam would fill us in on how he groups in final cut. The multigroup in avid is elegant and a mainstay of reality editing. Of done right your multigroup never has a black space waiting for cameras to turn back on.
April 14, 2009 at 5:41 pm
[...] be looking for: Tim Leavitt over at View From The Cutting Room Floor has a great blog post about fool-proof Avid MultiGroups. That describes the process you have to go through if you’re editing in Avid and you have [...]
July 24, 2009 at 5:54 pm
[...] that takes forever (up to several hours if you have a ton of cameras and a lot of clips). See my popular post on multigrouping for the detailed tutorial. Since all of the mental work is done at that point, why can’t Avid just make a multigroup [...]
July 13, 2010 at 10:05 am
Your a retard. This is the only way it works perfect. If you knew avid you would not have posted that.
Why dont you go work with Final Cut Pro like every “Editor” wannabe in this town.
December 13, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Would this method work when using Final Cut Pro 7? Or rather, is this the best method for reality AE-ing when using FCP 7? Any suggestions from Final Cut Pro users who work in reality TV would be appreciated!
Thx!
December 13, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Would this method work when using Final Cut Pro 7? Or rather, is this the best method for reality AE-ing when using FCP 7? Any suggestions from Final Cut Pro users who work in reality TV would be appreciated!
Thank you!
January 10, 2010 at 11:15 am
Hi Tim! I’ve referred to this article more times than I can count, to show other assistants how to multigroup. Thank you so much, it’s tremendous help! But I’ve never read everything, just skimmed and picked out the best parts. While I was multigrouping yesterday I took a look at it again…
“Select all of your clips that were shot by a single camera, and select ‘AutoSequence’ from the ‘Bin’ menu. Avid will automatically create a new sequence with master timecode that matches the source timecode, with the appropriate amount of filler in between the clips.”
I have always been cutting in the clips manually because that’s how I was shown to do it. This was an amazing find! Rock on man.
-Matt
February 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Truly a time saver. thank you!
One question though, I have footage that is both NDF and DF. Arg!
The problem is, even though my Master Sequence is in NDF, when I put in the AUX TC for any DF clips, the AUX TC is DF format.
I can of course get through the subclipping step. But when I go to multigroup, I get the error “Drop Frame and Non-Drop Frame cannot be synced.
Any ideas?
Also, I HIGHLY recommend Quick Keys or something similar. Not only will it save time, but it will also save your wrists. In my job, for every multigroup I do, using Quick Keys probably saves me about 6000 keystrokes. 6000!!!
July 4, 2012 at 7:12 pm
hey jeremy
Do you have the short cut built for quick keys? I cant find it anywhere and Im not really sure how to build it.
February 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm
If you’re having trouble with drop/non-drop frame timecode, just make the offending timecode correct by changing the colon to a semi colon (or vice versa). You can do this directly in the bin if you have the aux tc column turned on.
Good luck on the multigroups!
February 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm
That won’t work because when it comes time to uprez and online, the timecode of the clips won’t match the timecode of the source tape.
But I appreciate the suggestion!
February 26, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Your’e not changing the source timecode, only the Aux TC. I’ve never had any problems, and have even used this method to group footage from DVCPro (drop frame), P2 (shot non-drop) and QuickTime movies (that import non-drop). All that they need at online is the correct SOURCE timecode.
February 26, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Doh!
Sometimes the solution is just that simple, isn’t it.
When I was typing in my AUX TC I was just typing the numbers. I never thought to change the tc format. And I know it can be done. Just never thought to do it here.
Thank you!
March 15, 2010 at 2:17 pm
I must say Avid can be a bit confusing for me.
Thank good tips give us more
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May 3, 2010 at 9:11 pm
What about now that MC allows AMA volumes which do not inherently have “source” names connected to the clips and I have yet to find a way to add them and when you try to set the aux code and get the message “source media not found”? Great job on showing the world how to group…been doing it back to the era of the quadra, and have had to explain it over and now I am indebted to you for our most excellent post. Just please have a work around for the AMA volumes/files.
Sincerely,
Barnaby
May 3, 2010 at 9:11 pm
forgot to click notify me…
May 3, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I have never had to use AMA, but if I come across a way to group AMA clips, I will be sure to post it here.
June 30, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Barnaby,
Here’s a quick test.
1. First of all, if you don’t need to use AMA, then don’t.
2. But if you must (sigh, haha), once you have your bin full of master clips, select them all (CMD/CTRL-A, depending on Mac/PC Avid).
3. Either right click, or go to the Clip Menu and select Modify.
4. In the pull down, set source. The source window will pop up just like when you’re in the capture tool and have just popped in a new tape.
5. Give your clips a source name. (I’m super anal and will label source names based upon P2 naming convention or Camera, if you’re multi-cam.)
Now you should be able to apply AUX TC without affecting your original source meta-data.
The only heads up I would give, and hopefully Avid has thought of this, but relinking in Avid is based upon Source name and TC. So, I wonder if you would lose your media link when you switching drives/cards.
Try one out! Let us know! But my gut tells me that should work for you.
Also… I avoid AMA at all costs. Doesn’t seem practical for the types of shows I work on. What are you using it for?
May 3, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Cool. Thought I saw somewhere on a P2 ap that you could modify the metadata and add a source, but have not been able to find it. Sort of like not being able to really decompose an imported graphic in a sequence and only import what you really need…Thanks again for your post.
June 13, 2010 at 2:02 am
Thanks for this solution to a problem that has been a complete pain. I have one question,when at the end of the process I create the multiclip, the Avid gives me a selection of grouped clips. When I check them they all seem to contain a different number of cameras. By checking each one I can identify the clip with all the camera’s but I am not sure if I maybe missing something which will make the Avid give me the one definitive clip?
June 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Jonnie, there should be a group at the top of the bin with a little “+” sign next to it, indicating that it is a multigroup. It should also be named “Multigroup.01″ or something similar. You can safely delete all of the other group clips, as they are merely the individual pieces of the one multigroup.
June 30, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Yo, Tim!
It’s Myron’s friend Rob Kraut from ABDC. Dude, even though I told you in person, I’ve gone over this in detail, and you’ve done a GREAT job at putting this information together. When I don’t feel like explaining it a million times, I send AEs here to check it out.
There’s only one edit I would make to make your groups more efficient.
In step number 7, don’t put add edits at the head and tail of every clip. When you do this, it causes your cameras to jump around in their multi-group banks. Most editors I’ve worked with hate this, especially if you have a show with 19 cameras all shifting around on you.
There is a method I teach people in order to lock “Cam A” to bank 1, “Cam B” to bank 2, etc…
In the case of simple groups, where your cameramen didn’t have crazy trigger happy fingers, but maybe you had a rogue cam op who would start and stop his camera thereby jackin’ up your ability to group easy (jerkface cam op!), I tell people these two rules to remember when looking at the stacked and sunc footage on your timeline.
First look at the stacks on your timeline as if they were stacks of plates. You should notice that they tend to line up in groups of stacks, with the occasional overlapping camera start and stop due to that jerkface cam op. (Your picture on #8 above illustrates this with only two cameras…imagine, dear reader, that there are 7 cameras there, and your top camera starts and stops while still overlapping the rest of the stack. …if this is too much to picture, hit me up, I’ll explain better).
Now that you see that scenario, check it:
Rule 1: Think of those stacks as groups (’cause, um…they are…). Rule 1 is that each camera must overlap every other camera in that group at some point for it to be included in the group. Yes, they all must overlap EVERY cam…even if it doesn’t overlap by one frame, that’s a new group.
Rule 2: Each camera can only start ONCE per group. So if your jerkface cam op stopped and then started his cam again, you’ve got a new group.
I know it sounds a little heavy, but I assure you…once you start to look at it that way, depending on how shitty your camera crew was, it becomes clear as day! And you only end up with a few add edits and WAY fewer subclips. All while locking your cameras in their banks. (see below for exception)
This workflow will save you a lot of time and button pushing, again while also making the group experience for your editor a lot smoother by locking those cams in place.
I’d be happy to explain to to anyone reading in greater detail if you want to drop me a line.
(EXCEPTION: If one of your cameras is non-existent during one of the groups, your cameras will shift to cover that hole. But they will stay locked in that current pattern until the entire take comes to a close or a new group starts.)
Here’s my email, all incognito ‘n stuff so that spammers don’t hose me:
rob [at] krautwerks [dot] com
Again, Tim! Great work here, man!
June 30, 2010 at 2:02 pm
So, Rule 1, in my opinion, is easier to show than to explain. But for example, in Tim’s #8 pic above… When applying what I told you here, you don’t need a single add edit there (I understand he was showing you that to illustrate his points).
As long as you have your AUX TC set, there are no need for add edits there. You’re just creating more work for yourself and your cameras will shift banks.
Hope this helps!
July 16, 2010 at 10:04 am
Hey Rob,
Thanks for your input! Hope you’re doing well. There are a couple reasons I don’t use your method, but you’re right in that it is equally valid. On shows with more than a couple cameras, I always use QuicKeys to do my add edits and subclipping. It’s much easier to just set the Composer to “Stop at Head Frames” and “Ignore Track Selectors” and then have QuicKeys continually alternate between “Fast Forward” and “Add Edit” to quickly add edits throughout your entire timeline in a matter of seconds. Also, in my method all subclips that occur at the same time will have the exact same duration, making double-checking your work before you finally perform the “Multigroup” command a breeze (just make sure all subclips that start at the same Aux TC have the exact same duration and you’re good to go). I’ve never had any editors complain about the frequently changing camera banks (and I sort of prefer to have the banks collapse when a camera cuts out to keep the 4- or 9-split tidy), but to each his own!
-Tim
February 15, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Hey guys. You can add edits at start and end of clips but it’s not recommended because editors get angry by the number of subclips it creates and they have a hard time working with it the more edits you add.
To get around the bank switching thing make sure that after you’ve done your subclips you arrange all the subclips in the bin by name and then group them. This should keep them from bouncing around
February 15, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Hey, Vinnie!
Great input. And definitely true. The only thing I would clarify on is that while you are right, sorting by name/source will alleviate some cam bank switching, depending on your add edits to your in sync timeline, you should still be mindful that you generally want to avoid Cam B popping over to Bank 1 after Cam A shuts off in the same sub-group. The only reason I ever figured out this method is because back in the day I got a lot of complaints from editors about that very problem.
All this info on multigrouling here, when compiled into your workflow, will truly give you the most efficient and easily manageable multigroups.
Thanks again to Tim for finally giving us a solid place to discuss this method. I train a lot of AEs, and I often send them here for the great example if I don’t have multicam footage to train with.
You guys rule! Great discussion here.
February 15, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Yea guys this is seriously the best resource for Avid multi grouping anywhere. Keep it up! Rob- What you say is the truth. I also use quickkeys as some people have mentioned on this thread and you can actually run into trouble with that if you allow it to add edits for you because quickkeys will add edits at the start and stop of all clips. For some reason Avid thinks that the start of filler is the start of a clip. Editors will want to kill you if you have really clippy multigroups. Especially when you are grouping digital audio, they have to change the audio source every time a new subclip starts so clippy = lots of audio changing. If anyone wants my grouping settings and/or my quikkeys file feel free to contact me
February 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Right on, Vinnie! Same here, if anyone needs help, we gotta look out for our own. Feel free to contact me. rob@krautwerks.com
Hey, Vinnie, FYI with my QuicKeys, I manually do add edits (that’s the easiest part, in my opinion). I use QK to subclip and assign AUX TC. Do you know that fine little trick?
February 15, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Yessir Rob I forgot to add that I now add my edits manually after realizing what a pain it is to handle the clippy groups. My QK does the subclip and pastes in the aux timecode from the sequence. I’m sure were using similar if not the same settings for our stuff.
February 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Sounds like it! Right on, man!
Hit me up sometime. I’m sometimes in the market for AEs.
October 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm
This resource is a lifesaver! Thanks!
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January 26, 2012 at 10:20 am
Tremendous article. This has enabled me to combine Pluraleyes with Quickeys to automate creating a multigroup, which I can then ScriptSync with a transcript. Ha! No more manual searching.
Here’s another resource for the Quickeys part of the process – it details how adding the AUX TC to your “non-base” clips can be automated as well.
> http://community.avid.com/forums/p/93027/529457.aspx
Thanks for the time and effort put into this. It’s a huge help.
June 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I made a YouTube tutorial on How to MultiGroup in AVID Media Composer for Reality TeleVision.
June 8, 2012 at 8:22 am
Hi!
Is there a way to cut grouped clips into the timeline and take BOTH sources of audio from the clip onto the timeline? We’ve grouped one video with two different audio sources.
Thanks!
June 8, 2012 at 9:13 am
It’s there. Just right click on the audio to switch to the other tracks.
-=Rob=-
June 11, 2012 at 2:38 am
Hi Rob,
thanks for your response! I actually meant is there a way to get all four tracks of audio to appear on the timeline together? I think I might have to autosync the clips rather than group them. Are you familiar with this?
Thanks,
Aoife
June 11, 2012 at 4:11 am
Aoife,
The site won’t let me reply to you, hopefully you get this. You can only change what audio channels are assigned to what track if you change your source meta data. Then reimport, then group.
Or, just cut your groups on a timeline and put those audio tracks on the track that you want on the timeline.
But if you want an automated systems where your groups put audio on different track than they were originally assigned to, you’ll have to altered source meta data like I suggested.
Make sense?
-=Rob=-
June 11, 2012 at 7:22 am
Hi Rob,
Got your message- thanks! I think I understand; is it that you need to change the second tracks of audio meta data to go to Audio tracks 3&4 so they can all go together on the timeline?
Thanks!
Aoife
August 6, 2012 at 12:55 am
I love looking through an article that can make men and women think. Also, many thanks for allowing me to comment!
August 29, 2012 at 12:36 pm
If you’re subclipping and grouping from a sync map, will the editors be able to use matchframe on the grouped clips? I recently grouped a four camera shoot and it was a pain in the ass getting everything grouped without a sync map, but I was told if I did it that way, they wouldn’t be able to matchframe back to the original clip.
Also, the editor is now complaining she can’t hear all the audio on the clips I grouped. Since I was grouping by timecode, doesn’t Avid automatically include all the audio tracks that are available? This shoot only had camera audio, no externally recorded audio.
August 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Your editor sounds like fun. I’d imagine the camera occupies A1-A4? She need to select something like audio follows video to hear the audio associated with the camera is watching. Otherwise she can set this manually.
Yes the editors can matchframe back from grouped clips. One match in goes to the group, two goes to the subclip and the third goes to the
masterclip.
August 29, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Thanks for your responses, the sync map/matchframe is especially helpful for future use.
September 6, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Hey Vinnie
We have recently switched to mostly tapeless footage (7d 5d c300 60d)
Your method worked great for me with all tape based footage. With tapeless footage I cant autosequence any tapeless clips from c300 cams. And the 7d and 60d have to tc. My question is – Is it possible to multigroup with tapeless media? Or do I have to manually create subclips and group by inpoint?
September 6, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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September 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm
It’s absolutely possible but you can’t do the autosequence part because the way 7D 5D c300 and 60D footage records it doesn’t have TOD (Time Of Day) timecode.
There really isn’t an intuitive way to do this but there are options. You can use pluraleyes to sync waveforms from all these cameras together but pluraleyes doesn’t allow you to set a base camera. There are way outside the avid to merge clips with the second system audio, I think it’s called dual eyes? There are also ways to read creation time from the THM file in the 7D and 5D and to make this your clip timecode. I don’t recommend this for reality shows but it does work. Metacheater is one tool that does this
Essentially if you were on a scripted show you would be synching all these cameras to a slate clap one by one until you have a stack of 4 cameras then you would move on to the next scene and so on… With reality it’s not nearly as forgiving and you will have start and stops all over so the creation of your sync map will take far longer.
September 6, 2012 at 12:11 pm
yeah, unfortunately I’m working on reality television. when I try to set aux tc for these clips based on the timeline it gives me an error that the source is not found. I’m assuming you cant use source tc because of the tod tc problem. What I have been doing is just creating subclips and grouping by inpoint but it seems like its taking much longer than it should.
September 6, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Yea that will take forever. What version of avid are you on and how are you bringing those clips in?
September 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm
my edit suite has 4.0.5 – the two ama computers we have are running 5.5.
we bring in the footage via AMA then transcode to 28:1mxf for the offline then relink to ama for the online
September 6, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Your problem is that in anything less that version 5 you can’t assign aux timecode to AMA or imported clips. You need to upgrade if you want to assign aux timecode.
September 6, 2012 at 12:52 pm
ahhh that makes sense. Now its an issue of convincing the higher ups to shell out some $$ for new systems. Thanks for the help !
September 21, 2012 at 9:33 am
Question: I know how to aux-tc multi-group from the beginning (i.e. timelining, synching, mapping keys, copy/paste seq.tc to aux, etc.), but I’ve been away from the field awhile, and lately I’ve been on interviews where my aux-tc multi-grouping skills are tested on site. But instead of starting from the clip level, I’m just given a sequence, ready to synch and aux-tc multi-group. What is the quickest way to multi-group from this level? Thanks!
November 19, 2012 at 11:04 am
Like many before me, I’ll start by saying a huge thank you to Tim for this write-up. It’s still very valuable.
I do have a question. Here’s my sample/test multicam situation: 2 cameras, perfectly TC synced by BNC cable, shooting a 17 min. interview, and neither stops at all during the interview. The cameras are Canon XF105s, which span clips after about each 5 minutes, and our ingest workflow (no choice here) doesn’t see them as spanned clips so we have to bring them into Avid as individuals – so each camera in this case has 4 perfectly successive master clips (no gaps, next frame begins the next clip). The start/stop points for the A and B cam successive clips differ because each camera wasn’t initially started at exactly the same moment.
At first I thought that since both A cam and B cam have perfectly matched source timecode I simply Multigroup on the master clips, but that doesn’t work. Following most of Tim’s steps above (ignoring the Aux TC steps since my timecodes do match already), I make subclips and then multigroup successfully. My question is with perfectly synced timecode, why can’t Avid build the multigroup off the master clips but it can off the subclips?